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Black Hills Indian money Posts « Thread Started on Apr 29, 2008, 3:37pm »
This is mdenney talking now I just talked to ed in the law office to check on this listed below , He said not all is true in the listing below and it be best just to come to the meeting to get the full view of the truth at this point .
I will be keeping track of this the best I can Ok , I am waitting for a return call on this and what is and what isnt true in this post below OK
Thankyou I keep up on this the best I can ..........
mdenney
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To who this may concern,
Ed Means from Kettering's law office in Yankton, called today to inform us of meetings they are planning regarding a law suite for the release of Black Hills Indian money. Apparently, according to Ed, four law firms went to Montana to visit with a Black Hills Steering Committee. The Committee indicated they want the Black Hills money to be paid out and the issue settled.
The law firms, again according to Ed, will be representing any tribal members who wish to be represented from the Santee, Flandreau, Cheyenne River, Crow Creek, Fort Peck, Lower Brule, Oglala, Pine Ridge, Rosebud, and Standing Rock reservations. He also said, if you wish to be represented, there is a $ 20 filling fee per person plus a fee equal to 10% of any moneys received.
The informational meetings, with law firms in attendance, are to be held on Saturday, May 3rd, 11:00 AM (doors open at 10:00 AM), New Hope Community Church, 3222 Pawnee Place, Sioux City, Iowa and also a second meeting the following day on Sunday May 4th, 12:30 thru 10:00 PM same place, to sign contracts, etc. Ed said you must have a copy of your enrollment papers with you to sign with the attorneys. Your enrollment papers may also be faxed to: 605-260-9568 prior to the meeting.
Another meeting is planned in Yankton, at the 4-H grounds, 7:00 PM on May 6th or 7th, date yet to be confirmed.
Ed indicated they will be advertising the meetings in the Newspapers, radio, and flyers. Also a web site: www.greatersiouxnationoyate.
I have not verified the validity of any of this nor am I necessarily endorsing any of the above. It is simply a message Ed has asked me to pass on. If you have questions, I would suggest you call the Kettering Law Office at 605-664-6107.
This is not related to the Wolfchild / Minnesota lawsuite.
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Re: Black Hills Indian money Posts « Reply #1 on May 5, 2008, 12:13pm »
Black Hills Indian money Posts
I have been thinking on this , I have questions on it like the list below-
1. What about our Minerails rights of this land ?
2. Has anyone ever received any Royalties off the Minerials
3. We do still have the Minerails Rights as far as I understand , That what I read and understand ?
4. Wouldnt getting those minerails money change everything on this money that our people needs . This reminds me alot of what the Cobel Case is all about right ?
5. Now getting this Money off Minerails change alot of the thinking ?
6. I understand alot of the ways alot of the people think on this , like the alot never see nothing from alot of the moneys that were to go to the people it is taken and comes up missing or we never hear nothing because alot of people is not on the reservation because the reservation cannot give us jobs to beable to live on them and now with the prices of everything makes it even harder to live.
But the point is where is this money you all know there was and is alot of minerials taken off THE BLACK HILLs Land
7. We need to start our own Cobell Case on this dont you think ?
8. After knowing the above and thinking on this this money would add up to alot more money then the money the goverment want to face and I truly feel this is fact.
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mineral rights
An ownership interest in the minerals contained in a particular parcel of land, with or without ownership of the surface of the land. The owner of mineral rights is usually entitled to either take the minerals from the land himself or receive a royalty from the party that actually extracts the minerals.
The Sioux tribes have so far refused to accept the payment, which has grown to at least $863 million and could even be over $1 billion. But attorney Doug Kettering http://www.ketteringlaw.com/ has met with individual Indians who want a share of the payout.
'Black Hills not for sale,' Rosebud president says By Andrea J. Cook, Journal staff Monday, May 05, 2008
Attorneys are the only ones who have anything to gain if members of the Sioux Nation accept a cash settlement for the Black Hills, Rodney M. Bordeaux, president of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe said Monday.
These law firms are always looking for a quick buck and could care less for what we feel as a people,” Bordeaux said. “All they want is money.”
Yankton attorney Doug Kettering met with about 80 Native Americans on Saturday in Sioux City, Iowa, offering to help them tap into millions setting in a trust fund. The trust was created after a 1980 U.S. Supreme Court decision supporting Sioux claims that the government had stolen the Black Hills and land east of the Hills.
“The Black Hills are not for sale,” Bordeaux said, adding a Lakota missive, “He Sapa Kin waken yelo, oheniya kik suyapo.” Translation: “Always remember the Black Hills are sacred.”
That’s the message Bordeaux grew up with and is passing on to his children.
“We must all unite and keep that message going into the future,” he said.
In these tough economic times, the money may seem tempting to some tribal members, but it is poor compensation for the nation that their Sioux forefathers fought and died to protect, Bordeaux said.
“They were fighting for our overall survival as a people and a nation,” he said. “We need to keep that alive, because that’s who we are.”
Kettering has never contacted the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, Bordeaux said. The tribal council would never support accepting the money, he said.
Bordeaux said he can’t speak for other tribal leaders, but he doubts that any would support an effort to accept the settlement. To do so would be contrary to tribal philosophy, he said.
“We need to continue as tribal nations and tribal leaders and tribal members in general to remember what our forefathers fought for, and keep that fight alive,” Bordeaux said.
Any decision to dip into the trust fund would have to come from the tribes, not individual members, Bordeaux said.
Bordeaux noted that newspaper accounts of Saturday’s meeting reported that Kettering plans to hold meetings in Sioux Falls, Yankton, Mobridge and Flandreau.
“Nothing near Rosebud,” Bordeaux said. “I don’t know who’s really behind this, but they’re not representing us.”
There may be a small minority of tribal members with no sense of the sacrifices their forefathers made, people who would “basically sell out to make a few dollars,” he said.
“That money won’t last long,” Bordeaux said. “We as a people need to resist.”
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Re: Black Hills Indian money Posts « Reply #3 on May 29, 2008, 2:08am »
Black Hills on Table Again Posted May 4, 2008 | 01:46 PM (EST)
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Once again there is talk by non-Indian lawyers to pursure the allocation of monies awarded the tribes of the Great Sioux Nation for the theft of the Black Hills of South Dakota.
The amount of that money was around $863 million several months ago and it is probably much larger by now with the accrued interest added. Many of the young people do not understand the history of the battles of life and death that led the leaders of the Sioux people to reject the acceptance of even one penny of that monetary award.
I do not want to anger those Indians, mostly non-Lakota, that would work with an attorney to find ways and means of accepting the settlement. But they should remember that it was Lakota warriors that gave their all in the struggle for the Black Hills.
There was Tatanka Iyotanka, Sitting Bull, a Minneconju Lakota, Tasunka Witko, Crazy Horse, an Oglala Lakota, and Sinte Gleska, Spotted Tail, a Sicangu Lakota, who lived, fought and died to preserve the lands of the Great Sioux Nation. And although he was not present at the Battle of the Little Big Horn, Mahpiya Luta, Red Cloud, spent most of his life fighting to keep the whites off of Lakota land.
Lakota elders have lived with this premise since the lawsuit to reclaim the land was filed in 1921 and they are solid in their belief that, "One does not sell one's mother." To the Lakota the Black Hills are considered to be Maka Ina, Mother Earth, or Maka Unci, Grandmother Earth. It is a concept that is deeply spiritual, cultural and traditional.
Over the years I have written about this struggle of the Sioux people to reclaim a portion of the Black Hills. Generations have come and gone and still the issue is unsettled. Before the senatorial election of 2004 I announced that I would run for the senate against then Senator Tom Daschle. I knew it would be a losing proposition, but I wanted to be able to bring issues such as the Black Hills to the debate. I wanted the Lakota to have a voice in the senate race, win or lose.
I got a call from Daschle's office and we agreed to meet at the Rodeway Inn Restaurant in Rapid City. Daschle had been saying for years that the issue of the Black Hills had been settled when the U. S. Supreme Court made the monetary award. I took it be a politically motivated comment by Daschle because the largest part of his constituency is white and it would have been political suicide for him to talk about returning even a portion of the Black Hills to the Sioux people. We had a good meeting and Daschle took under advisement my request that he meet with the leaders of the Sioux tribes and work out an agreement to return Wind Cave National Park to them along with other National Forest Service Land and the complete monetary award. I told him that if he would meet with the tribal leaders and seriously discuss this proposal, he could at last come to an agreement that would be beneficial to the tribes. He agreed and I dropped out of the senate race.
It all turned out to me a moot issue because Daschle lost the senate race to John Thune, a Republican. Daschle is now a civilian and a man with considerable political acumen and clout. He can still be very effective if he picked up the banners of the Sioux people. Wind Cave National Park is a federal park not a state park. In most of the origin stories of the Lakota people Wind Cave is where their ancestors emerged into what is now the Black Hills. The Black Hills was their place of birth and therefore a very sacred place.
Since 1981 I have written that the leaders of all the tribes of the Sioux Nation should initiate a meeting to come up with a game plan that would include introducing new legislation that would return at least 1.3 million acres of National Forest Service land, no cities, no state parks, and no private lands, to the people of the Sioux Nation.
It is time for the tribal leaders to get off of the political pot and start the ball rolling to seek and equitable solution for all of their people. It would be a disaster if the non-Indian lawyers settled it for them. As the impatience from mostly non-Lakota members grows, it is time to stand up and be deliberate and decisive.
digoweli See Profile I'm a Fan of digoweli Years ago I was hitch hiking around Oklahoma seeing all of my relatives after a wonderful broke summer singing opera in Central City, Colorado. One man that stopped and picked me up turned out to be a lawyer who had settled the government deal for land with the Cherokee people. He told me about that and was proud of the settlement. I asked him how much he made and he said that it put his children through college. Later I found that it was a large percentage of the whole amount more than several million dollars. I asked him how much each Cherokee got from the deal. It ran into the hundreds of dollars and he promptly let me out of the car. Go for it Tim and you are right. Use Indian lawyers. Digoweli
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Robert59 See Profile I'm a Fan of Robert59 Mr. Giago,
I'm totally ignorant about this issue. 863 million dollars is alot of money, but is a pittance for 1.5 million acres (575 per acre).
Job creation is a must to bettering the lives of the Lakotas and the Black Hills offer the best location to place wind powered turbines. Not only could Lakotas benefit from leasing that land they could also get full time employment in the construction and maintenance of those wind powered turbines.
Best of luck to you and the Lakotas.
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Podcast See Profile I'm a Fan of Podcast Robert 59. The original award was given by the US Supreme Court in 1980 in the amount of $146 million for about 40 million acres of land stolen from the Lakota. The Lakota refused to accept the monetary settlement and instead tried under the Bill Bradley Bill in 1981 to get 1.3 million acres of National Forest Service land returned in the Black Hills. The interest on that award has now reached more than $863 million after 28 years of accruing interest. If they accept the money they will acknowledge the theft of their sacred lands. Although they are the poorest tribe in America they stand by their right to refuse the money. Tim
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 05/04/2008
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Robert59 See Profile I'm a Fan of Robert59 Thanks for the education. So in 1980 the Supreme Court said 146 million was fair compensation for 40 million acres of land. The Lakota smartly refused the money but that doesn't mean they are now owed 863 million.
What they are owed is 40 million acres, but the chance of that happening is small. How does the 1.3 million acres of NFS land figure into this (as part of the original 40 million acres)?
Thanks.
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 05/05/2008
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Podcast See Profile I'm a Fan of Podcast Robert59 - The 1.3 million acres are lands within the boundaries of the Black Hills, the most sacred land according to the Lakota. There were two awards given in 1980, one for the Black Hills and one for the lands east of the Black Hills to the Missouri River. The land west of the Black Hills was lost when the Dawes Act broke up the land into small reservations and declared the remaining lands open for public settlement. The Court of Claims made the awards under Docket 74B, the Black Hills, and Docket 74A, the lands west of the Black Hills. Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun, in his dissenting opinion wrote, "A more ripe and rank case of dishonest dealings may never be found in our history."
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 05/05/2008
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Thanks.
Justice Blackmun was one great American.
Funny when they talk about this country's original sin it's always in reference to slavery. We never hear about the real original sin, the taking of lands from the first Americans. I realize it was part clash of civilizations and an overpopulated Europe, but what happened was wrong.
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 05/05/2008
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Pantelleria01 See Profile I'm a Fan of Pantelleria01 It seems to remain, as Mr, Giago points out, in the hands of the tribal leadership to get themselves to the table and take some action. One cannot but wonder what the recent declaration by Rusell Means and his group in withdrawing the Lakota people from recognizing any treaty or agreeing that the United States no authority on these lands at all...he says they have withdrawn from the government. After such a long struggle it would be a shame to see this issue resolved in a way that does not answer the long and unanswered call for a return of these sacred lands to the people to whom they rightfully belong. In the Nixon presidency, he returned several million acres of Federal Parks land to the Taos Pueblo Tewa people. Everything worked out ok in that case. Probably the Rusell Means behavior is not helping the tribe very much at this moment with this important issue?
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 05/04/2008
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Podcast See Profile I'm a Fan of Podcast Sorry about that. I did have paragraph breaks and a mistake free and corrected copy posted but this is how it showed up on the post. Computer technology is still not my strong suit. Tim
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 05/04/2008
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Thorn See Profile I'm a Fan of Thorn We've all been there, TG. I just hope the giant text block doesn't prevent anyone from reading it.
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 05/04/2008
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bmermaid See Profile I'm a Fan of bmermaid I am always interested and pleased to see an article by Mr. Giago. What a shame it is that the vast majority of Non- Indian people do not know anything about American Indians today. Just last week-end I met some-one that happened to bring up the topic, when he learned that I was originially from South Dakota. When this happens, I am always asked a lot of questions about Native American Indians and culture. I happen to be part Indian ( although blonde & light skinned), and I always try to answer to the best of my ability. One thing that most Non- Indians do not know is that culturally, Native Peoples think in a fundamentally different way from the decendants of European countries, and one of those ways is expessed very nicely by Mr. Giago in regards to the traditional values of the land- Mother Earth. Non- Indians often are very interested to learn about the Indian Culture, but have very little opportunity to ask, as they often don't even know any Native Americans personally, and media attention is almost non-existant. This world could be so much a better place if articles this kind were found more often in the National media. We desperately need more communication between cultures- the Middle East crisis being a case in point.
Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 05/04/2008
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