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Post by mdenney on Feb 11, 2011 18:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 12, 2011 23:59:25 GMT -5
NARA-DC/CIA-LR, Henton to CIA dated 10-28-1889. henton expressedhis views to CIA re. allotting the land in fee simple versus holding it in trust. Henton used some of the appropriations for necessities and then purchased more land for the Indians in Trust.(1)
In 1889,James Mclaughlin was sent to Minnesota to investigate the situation re. enrollments, and to do another census of the Mdewakantons. he also sent a report to the CIA, in which he expressed the recommendatin that all future lands be purchased in Trust. i don't have the date of this. You wil find a copy of it in the Mclaughline papers.(1)
Communications mentioned in Old Betsy,the Life And Times Of A [/b]Famous Dakota Woman and her Family. mark diedrich:Mar. 15,1875 Dole- letter of Rev. Hinman requesting 10,000 acres(12 sections) of land on Upper Mississippi river, from that which was to be put up for sale. The letter was forwarded to SDI Usher, who gave his approval, 2 days later.
Mar. 23,1865 Hinman to Whipple.tells Whipple that he has secured the lands for Taopi and the others-80 acres per family. Supt. Thompson will furnish the seed and have the land plowed. William Welsh is to raise 3000--3500 dollars to subsist the Indians until the crops are harvested
April 27,1865,Hehry H. Sibley wrote to Hinman saying that General Pope(Sibley's superior) of the Army had sent orders to stop the plan.
1869 CIA Ely S. Parker gave Rev. Whipple go ahead to select 12 sections of land at the old Reserve. Whipple acknowledged this in a letter dated June 5, 1869.Whipple later found only 2 sections available, and were too close to the Sisseton Reserve, so he dropped the plan.
Henry H. Sibley in the fall of 1875 offered to sell some of his land for @2000 dollars minus his personal donation of land worth 200 dollars, to Rev. Knickerbocker.The reverend notified CIA Smith(October 20, 1875). Smith replied"these Dakotas have tribal rights on the reservations at Santee,Flandreau, and Sisseton, therefore no funds can be used for them at Mendota." Knickerbocker again approached CIA Smith re. land.
Smith in Letter of Reply dated Nov. 26,1875,"...the financial condition of this office does not justify at present(this expense)....I do not recognize that these Indians failing to comply to previous requirements as to their removal, have any claims upon this office.if they choose the privileges of independence, they must also asume its responsibilities." ___________ (1)the thesis, Dakota Presence in Minnesota 1824-1995 by Caroline Ruth Anderson. 1997.Indiana State University.UMI press. Grand Rapids mich. this can be downloaded at the cost of $40.00 from UMI Press's website.the leters mentioned are in chapters three, and chapter four: Return to Prairie Island.
legislation that pertains to the 1863 Acts: Act of May 25, 1864 Appropriations to injured parties per Act of Feb. 16, 1863
Act of mar. 6,1868 this Act extended the time that those settlers who had pre-empted on the unsold lands now included in the late Sioux Indian Reservation of Minesota, 2 years within which to prove their claims and pay for the lands.
Act of June 10,1876 chap. 122. an Act Transferring the custody of certain Indian Trust Funds, from the Secretary of the interior in trust ...shall be be,within 30 days of the passage of the act, to the Treaurer of the United States, who shall become the custodian thereof, and shall collect all interest due, and shall make all purchases of stocks and bonds authorized byact s of congress, when requested by the Secretary of the Interior...... it also says that this act won't affect the powers and duties in regard to Indian Affairs which may now be vested in the Secretary of the Interior as Trustee for various Indian tribes, except as to the custody of the bonds and collection of interest.
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 13, 2011 19:05:35 GMT -5
Other letter mentioned in Dakota presence In Minnesota 1820-1995.Caroline ruth anderson: NARA-DC Sioux In Minnesota file: B. Westman,et.al to Congressman H. Strait dated 11-8-1888 refers to $800,000 accrued from the sale of the Minnesota Reservation.
Congressinal Act: Mar. 3, 1885 to compensate the traders of Upper and Lower Agencies for credit they (claim to have) given the Dakota Sioux Indians in the year before the 1862 Outbrak. they had already received $173,000 for the property that had been destroyed by earlier appropriations that also allowed compensation for other victims of the depradation. (Special file,N.Myrick and others, 9-3-1885).
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 6, 2011 20:44:08 GMT -5
this is link to cover letter written by R.B. Henton to Com. Ind. Affairs with the 1891 mdewakanton Census. We feel that this may tie in with the 7 page letter hewrote to the Commissioner . see above We welcome your thoughts and comments re. this. i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt240/kouklamu/p4.jpg
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 22, 2011 16:56:08 GMT -5
Confirmatory Reference to above mentioned letters re. 1865 and 1869 Land that was made available for the Minn. Indians and reasons the Indians were not allowed to settle on said lands in 1865 and 1869: A History of the Santee Sioux :US Indian Policy On Trial, by Roy W. Meyer.Chapter 13: those who stayed. This book is posted in full on our Website.
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Post by tamara on Mar 23, 2011 20:02:53 GMT -5
...nice snowed in type day give me leave to read a bit...rare these days. The summary of the letters and this period of time in the 1865-1866 Indian Commissioner Report. Let me see if I have the link...
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Post by tamara on Mar 23, 2011 20:07:06 GMT -5
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Post by tamara on Mar 23, 2011 20:10:52 GMT -5
the above letter was faxed to me years ago..i think I had tried to transcribe it but now cant find it. It relates to Henton not wanting Big Eagle or Wakeman on the rolls...he refers to the legislative intent of the acts and says "scouts and others" in regard to the loyal sioux...its an interesting letter....
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 23, 2011 21:35:34 GMT -5
thanks so much for the link Tamara. Its been raining here in Sioux City, and is cold and dismal tonight. Henton blasted big Eagle, thewestons and one of the eastmans, and made a remark about Charles Whipple-Goodthunder's parents, in the above 7 page letter. the one who instigated this was Alfred Riggs who had "heard that there was a scheme underway among some of the Sioux at Flandreau and Santee to move back to Minnesota, but continue receiving benefits(annuities,etc.) from their former homes, so called 'double-dipping".(Caroline R. Anderson Thesis: Dakota presence In Minnesota 1824- 1995. Indiana State University.1997. UMI Press. Grand Rapids,Michigan.
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Post by tamara on Mar 24, 2011 0:00:41 GMT -5
yes, that and the accusations made against Henton himself. The letters that were written by John c Wakeman and jerome big eagle are sorta compelling too.. I also read that Eastman played a bit of a role in encouraging the men there to go and participate in the "Great Sioux Treaty" ...therefore there are the names of Husasa Big Eagle etc on the 68 Treaty. I believe the Jewett killings were a part of the above decisions to not allow them the 12 sections of land. Its quite a puzzle.. Interesting how the same language prevails through out the efforts to provide lands over the years...the above letter being in the 1889 era. Its this sort of correspondence etc that show that the census records were not all inclusive when it came to beneficiaries. As you know, the top page of the McLeod says "I kow who amongst them is elidgable to recieve..." In the above letter he says the censuses are to show how many school age children etc...and notes that the goodthunder child is not of any native blood etc.. -all points I know that you have seen for years...but points that are now being made finally...
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 24, 2011 15:04:37 GMT -5
I agree Tamara. henton was a mixed breed hmself, and I believe married a sioux woman. He consulted with his "cronies" in helping Loeb compose that 1885 Roll and annuity roll of payments, and when he himself composed the undated Roll now called the 1886(is actually the 1885)Roll, and subesequent rolls up to 1898/99 roll(McLaughlin). The so-called 1886 was undated according to BIA letter of 1967or 1971(I don't remember the year). he also did some shady land dealings with the mdewakantons too.
Did Montana and Zephier chicken out on filing their amended complaints? Kardaal posted his petition for summary judgement on the 22nd, and biased it in favor of just his clients.
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 24, 2011 16:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by tamara on Mar 24, 2011 18:33:20 GMT -5
hahaha I assure you there isnt anything "Chicken" in either Montana or Zephier...lol and yes they did file...great stuff by the way...I love when the brief reads or flows with historical accuracy and so far the best writing regarding the removal acts and the intent... The two men are the lead in the Group B so work closely with the other attorneys...the others have filed and contributed..so often teh best stuff is a result of a number of brilliant minds. Im horribly prejudiced but Zephier and Montana have an inside perspective being a part of the Great Sioux Nation and growing up in South Dakota and living with the history in every day life...it comes across at times..for what its worth in the end<I guess we will see. There are some great people behind the scenes of all of this... Ive been amazed at what the other groups find and share or add...
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Post by hermin1 on Mar 25, 2011 3:26:10 GMT -5
Tamara what a great relief it is,that they have filed their brief. I was so afraid they wouldn't. After reading Kaardal's brief, I get the sense that he threw everything in his brief but the kitchen sink, and produced what we Greeks would call a Taramo Salata(Shrimp Salad). His reference to Meyer's a history of the Santee Sioux, he quoted out of context.Read that chapter The Ones Who stayed to get a correct picture of why both the 1865 and 1869 attempts by Hinman, and whipple failed. then read the reference link for "The War of the Rebellion ....."pages I found ,which tell who was responsible for the failure of the 1865 attempt.The reference was one of those that Meyer consulted in writing that chapter. Not having access to his original pleading and all the exhibits,and references he cited in it,I can only comment re. the ones I was able to find.) I am just an information specialist,of sorts, that learned during my post-graduate days, and employment with the local city and county government, where to look for records I needed to do my job for them.I admit, that I knew nothing let alone heard about the Mdewakanton Siouxs when I was asked to help some of my friends and their family search for their ancestors records.I had been working on my own family ancestral history, which is Greek. believe me, this tpe os search is nothing like the Mdewakantons and other Indian tribes.On my mother'sside of the family, there are over 600 peole with her surname, and on my dad's even more living in greece. and you don't write to the local demos to get records, you have to go there in person and ask for their help. Just by chance I lucked out and found my mother's niece still living in Greece,and then it was smooth sailing from there on.
With the Mdewakantons and other Siouxs, I did a lot of reading about the history,and culture and customs of these proud people. then I did timelines to track their movements through history , so that I would have some idea where to look for their ancestors. I also talked to the local Santees,and consulted the National Archives for help, as well as the local library staff,to find out what types of records , and where to look for those I needed.I also cannot thank the membersof Oyate who had been searching for records before I loogged in, for their advice and help.
No, I do not have a fancy Access program, like Ms. Buttes. I have a database of sorts, containing the names of each peson I searched for, and as complete a history on his/her family with-confirmatory documentation( on hard copy or paper, and on CD)-that I have found, and written on to index cards. At last count I had close to 30,000 Siouxs in my index.by this I am referring to each person of a familyand their families if any.I am up to my ears with church registers, govt. records, historical records,biographies, autobiographies, photos, reference books, and you name it, I may have it.I also have my haunts on the net that I go to for information. I 'm glad Mike advised me to get an addtional computer with a bigger hard drive than my favorite,hermin2.Btween the two computers I must have at least 100 web sites for reference sources. As for the names on those two Mdewakanton rolls, I tracked them backwards in time to make sure that they hadn't just dropped into Minnesota, to get the annuities that were given out then left.because the records do show that several Santees, Flandreau Siouxs,had come just for the handouts.also the congressman strait who got the appropriation pased through
Congress forthe first appropriation, orderd Loebor Loed to exclude any who were living in Minnesota prior to 1883, as it was felt they had assimilated themselves into society,and wouldn't need help.(Caroline R. Anderson.Dakota Identity In Minnesota 1824- 1995.1997. Ind/ State. Univ..Grand Rapids,MI.Chapter 3and 4.the criteria for "full blodod" was actually at least half blood), and they had to have severedtheir tribal affiliations elsewhere.(ibid) I also found that there were those on that list that should not have received any benefits,according to the criteria that the BIA Agent was told to apply in his making up the rolls.and he did cross out several namesincluding John bluestone, because he was living in Minnesota prior to 1883.(meyer.AHistory of the Santee Sioux.the chapter: Those That Stayed) I did not take it for granted, as Buttes did that just because a person's name was on that roster, that an alleged descendent only had to provide his/her birth certificate to prove his/her relationship to the ancestor.
I have been able to draw up family trees for some of the descendents, that go back at least 4-5 generations. I have files stuffed with family trees,some partial, some complete.some of these trees have taken me from 1-5 years to complete the medocumentation on so I could draw up the trees.
Again I thank my friends and colleagues on Oyate, and the families elsewhere, who shared rcords with me.I am sorry I couldn't post manyof the trees,but I had an obligation to some of the families, not to share the trees with others without their permission.
I also studied the history of the taking of the US Federal Censuses. You would be shocked at the caliber of perople that were used to take those censuses in the middle 1700's- late and early 1900's.I read of an instance where one census taker was told to get the census for a county out east. He got drunk, and lost the records for the whole county.Many of those employed for this task were illiterate,others wrote down the names of the residents based on how they heard the names pronounced. Many times, the census taker would ask the neighbors for information on a family if the family wasn't home.Other times some would ask whoever was at the residence for the information on the family. many time I am sure, the census taker guessed at a person's age, like I am sure was done with the Native Americans.
You are all I am sure ,cognizant that the ancestors,ie.gr. gr. grandparents. and on down to the grandparents of Native Americans did not tell time like the whites do.They based their birth date on the basis of what transpired in their environment(ie, the season of the year, some significant event that occurred,etc). So I put in a tolerance of (+) or (- ) 3-5 years when I searched for their records. I also took into account that many of the forebears had two Indian names,one that designatd their birth rank order in the family,the other was a unique descriptive name given to them. Some would change their Indian name, so I found myself looking for a person by both names.I have a Sioux who went by 4 different names and had 4 different spouses at 4 different reservations. I 'll bet he took a lot of vitamins to keep going.
I do the best I can to help others with their ancestor search. I do make goofs, but am not loath to admit it, and try to correct the mistake(s). I get a feeling of accomplishment when I am able to get two relatives of families who didn't know about each other, together so they can share their family history.
This is my personal feeling re. his brief, and is not a reflection of the staff of this website.
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