Severing Tribal Relations ( Means ? )

[mdenney]

This is something we all need to talk about and find what it means and post it here........ Thankyou.

February 5th transcripts Judge Lettow did state that one of the issues in this case is severing tribal relations.

And the Judge said there needs to be a hearing on what this means.


Just to point out One severing tribal relations can mean they only agreed to not raise arms against the whites ..and not join in the battle that there fellow tribial people were engaged in..

There are a few of the intervenors that do meet the congressional criteria. Unfortunately, however, afew do not. These criteria are not set by the judge. They were established by Congress. The only reason the judge allowed the intervenors to participate up to this point is because he wanted to make sure no one was left out that met the criteria. Judge Lettow is giving each intervening lawyer a chance to voice why they think they should be allowed to continue to participate as plaintiffs and seek trust beneficiary status for their respective clients. This is all part of due process. In the February 5th transcripts Judge Lettow did state that one of the issues in this case is severing tribal relations. This is one of the criteria that Congress wrote into the acts along with living in Minnesota at the time of the censuses and not participating in the 1862 war. All 3 criteria would have had to been met to be included in the 2 censuses. The judge cannot re-write the congressional statutes. He can only enforce them.

Now it up to our Attorney`s and how they put this to the Judge to intercede and get the Judge to understand that what this means.

[tamara]

admin said:

This is something we all need to talk about and find what it means and post it here........ Thankyou.

February 5th transcripts Judge Lettow did state that one of the issues in this case is severing tribal relations.

And the Judge said there needs to be a hearing on what this means.


Just to point out One severing tribal relations can mean they only agreed to not raise arms against the whites ..and not join in the battle that there fellow tribial people were engaged in..

There are a few of the intervenors that do meet the congressional criteria. Unfortunately, however, afew do not. These criteria are not set by the judge. They were established by Congress. The only reason the judge allowed the intervenors to participate up to this point is because he wanted to make sure no one was left out that met the criteria. Judge Lettow is giving each intervening lawyer a chance to voice why they think they should be allowed to continue to participate as plaintiffs and seek trust beneficiary status for their respective clients. This is all part of due process. In the February 5th transcripts Judge Lettow did state that one of the issues in this case is severing tribal relations. This is one of the criteria that Congress wrote into the acts along with living in Minnesota at the time of the censuses and not participating in the 1862 war. All 3 criteria would have had to been met to be included in the 2 censuses. The judge cannot re-write the congressional statutes. He can only enforce them.

Now it up to our Attorney`s and how they put this to the Judge to intercede and get the Judge to understand that what this means.

Ha! This is just one part I am excited and eager to see examined by the court. As any of our researchers know from studying the different census and annuity rolls out there, not to mention the history involved. It is going to be a tough one to sort out. This one makes me want to buy a plane ticket to this hearing.... I dont think that my opinion on this part (for what its worth, lol) has changed since the first time I decided to dig in to the dakota history surrounding this issue. If the court wishes to seperate by some standard those that dont appear to have severed tribal ties, then they will blow apart the idea that the 1886 and 1889 rolls are even a "good presumptive starting point"! okay maybe that is a bit strong.. lol regardless, setting some standard for severing tribal ties is goign to affect many of those on those lists. It would seem to me that it must be taken into account the struggle to survive. the scout letter I posted shows persons almost starving and begging to work... who could blame them for making a trip to a reservation and accepting annuities or lands to lease for income to avoid hunger or suffering. See... now you got me going, Mike! Made me put down my coffee cup.... lol

[tamara]

(put my cup down again) -and it must be taken into account that the efforts to develope these appropriation to time. I can only imagine the wait and hope and then disappointment that would have been told to those that stayed in the state of minnesota from the time of the removal act during the years of 1865, 1866 and up to 1884. The concern for severing tribal ties may also be the desire to use such appropriations for the real "loyal mdewakanton" or "friendly sioux" -as they are referred to in the congressional debates. Also, it brings to mind the idea of how one severs tribal ties in that period of time. Certainly those that were said to have been unable to go amongst their "more hostile bretheren" would have been viewed as having severing tribal ties. This includes the Scouts. My own ancester was in a most incredible position when issued oxen and wagon on the sisseton reservation... they were taken from him as the people knew he was not of sisseton blood, but rather, mdewakanton and they felt he was not entitled to them... they did this to David GreyCloud as well, also mdewakanton....

[mdenney]

Everyone view means alot because you all been doing research and read alot of story`s about the mdewakanton life .. And that is why our our views count .. and it be nice to find some of these story`s to show our attorneys or for them to view them here. They need our help. On these kind of points of view.

And if you have books or links to these views please post the link so they know where the story comes from .. and is not just made-up ...

[tamara]

admin said:

Everyone view means alot because you all been doing research and read alot of story`s about the mdewakanton life .. And that is why our our views count .. and it be nice to find some of these story`s to show our attorney or for them to view them here. They need our help. On these kind of points of view.

I agree. The intervening attorneys have not had the amount of time to research that others have so if we are able to "arm" them with the documents we have or give them the research we have done in trying to learn, it makes them all the more powerful. I am very confident that as I am researching for the same purpose for my representation, others are as well. Judging by the amount of information passed amongst all of us, we are doing a great job and need to put the kind of focus on case-related information as we have genealogical. That is sort of where I have been at lately and not working so much on genealogy -when someone posts an intrigueing genealogical puzzle I try hard to NOT think about it or I will lose focus! lol In my old age, I am starting to realize my mental limitations! It takes great focus to ignore such things as a 5-6 yr old/lightweight division Kindergarten all-star SMACK-DOWN/DEATHMATCH over who gets the last pudding cup! -the dog won that one when they put it on the endtable to battle! Not to mention the endless stream of teenager that make their way down to the family room where my son spends hours with a cell phone pressed to his ear... lately "dont touch my papers" and "stay away from my laptop" are the extent of my parenting! I am only half joking...

[mdenney]

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[mdenney]

Again I am looking at this - severing tribal relations.

And the way it is used, and the more I look at it and think about it I see alot of meanings for it.

I will say the words used in this is unlike anything I would of used but back then the people of the United States that made up the laws wasn`t like they are now, in alot of ways. I try to put myself into there mind and try to think as they did and this isn`t easy. And look at the way they understood the words then, not now by our legal system.

For one what Dictionary for the meaning they use back then was it American or from another Country.

Was this written by a person not understanding what they wrote by useing the word ( severing ) ?



sever or terminate relationship, in order to avoid allegations of War abandonment

Look now at this today on the other side of the fence - If you dont like something that your brother or sister did do you sever your relations with them ? No you disagree and go your own way. there still your Sister or Brother .. same with your tribes you are or your not Sioux or what ever tribe. If your from another county and you come to the United States and say you came from Mexico your still Mexican or german , irish or what ever.

Now let look at this in face - look at all the people that come to the United States and want to be part of it citizenship. We were already on this land and thats why it so different. And thats why you have to look at this so hard .

I be adding more on this as I try to understand this. And now I need to add the words

(tribal relations ). And understand it from there ...

denney