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Post by hermin1 on Nov 19, 2012 21:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 19, 2012 21:17:48 GMT -5
members and Fellow Researchers, I apologize for the length of the family tree,but his siblings had quite a few children. the chart was drawn up from the heirship Report on Chief Iron Elk by paul Brill(for the BIA) and also ,I did a search on the descendents to confirm the information on the final report. iIdrew it up so that you can print out each page and then tape them together. enjoy!!!
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Post by Kermit frazier on Dec 7, 2012 14:22:27 GMT -5
Hermin you have the wrong Levi trudell on this chart that you put together. it should be Levi Henry trudell not Levi Francis Trudell. Levie Henry Trudell had the following kids: Ellen, Lucy, Raymond,Mercedes,Wilmer,Beulah,Larry and 4 others that died with out issue.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 8, 2012 6:48:07 GMT -5
kermit;There were 2 Henry Trudells, the brother of Francis Trudell,Sr.,Henry,the son of Francis Trudell,Sr. Henry the brother,is the one mentioned in Chief iron Elk's probate and is on the Chief Iron Elk Chart.Mr. Brill's chart is correct.henry had a son levi who was married to Emily Colombe. Levi henry's father Henry, was the son of Francis Trudell,Sr. and mary Iciyapewin Wambdisun.this Henry wed nancy Lucy Susceatewin,dau. of tunkanwicaste and Wicanhpidutawin. the link below is to the Trudell Family website. You do not need to log in. the Trudell Family Tree is at this site. trudellgen.proboards.com/____________ Update: Correction Francis Trudell Sr. had the son Levi Trudell who was married to Emily Colombe. My apologies for the error.
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Post by Kermit frazier on Dec 8, 2012 17:05:37 GMT -5
looking at the Trudell family tree chart there are some mix up from just looking at Nancy Lucy Subecatowin mother and father. they have down as the parent's of Nancy Lucy Subecatowin are Tunkanwicaste and Maggie Wicanhipidutewin.
the other mistake is Nancy A. Mayawakanwin they have for her parents Hapanna and Tatehiyayedan Samule Seward. these are not Nancy A Mayawakanwin parents.
so some one needs to go back and fix the trudell tree line
from our talk we know that Hapanna and Tatehiyayedan Samuel Seward are the Parents of Nancy Lucy Subecatowin, Blue eyes, Brant, Trudell her husband is Henry Trudell and their son is Levi Henry Trudell.
on Hapanna probate her daughter received her land at Santee witch Henry Trudell and Nancy Lucy Trudell sold. records are at Center Neb.
go back and look at the Trudell chart and you will see where Jimmy Sweet needs to fix his Trudell Family Tree Chart.
the third Photo that shows Happana line. it needs to be fixed and Levi Henry Trudell did not married Emily Colombe.
Levi Henry Trudell married Nancy Winnie St Pierre.
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Post by Kermit Frazier on Dec 8, 2012 17:42:18 GMT -5
Hermin Hapanna was a twin and her sister was also called Subecatowin and Hapanna gave her daughter Lucy her sister Indian name Subecatowin. i thought i would share that story with you.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 10, 2012 15:41:23 GMT -5
the probate Testimony re. iron Elk's estate and family history does not mention Hapanna having a twin.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 12, 2012 13:15:15 GMT -5
kermit: you arecorrect.Jimmy's chart has some mixups.is your source, re. hapanna from her probate or is this this something you were told by your relatives. if it is from her probate, what is the probate numbr and her Allotment no. What is the date of the probate Report? I will contact Jimmy and let him know.
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Post by kermit frazier on Dec 14, 2012 13:21:46 GMT -5
Hermin the information came from Hapana Probate at center neb knox county. i picked it up years ago and showed my mother where the land was located. the probate was not very much as you know what center knox county papers look like.
Nancy Lucy Trudell and Henry Trudell sold her land there at Santee.
yeah when i went home i showed my mother Jimmy Tree chart and she also said it was wrong. i did let her know that i sent Jimmy a messeag on his web site.
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Post by kermit frazier on Dec 14, 2012 13:42:36 GMT -5
Hermin i do not have Hapana records with me i have them at home but i will look for them when i get home tonight and i will get you the dates and her probate number. the records are at knox county court house thats where i got the information from.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 16, 2012 14:50:02 GMT -5
Great kermit. I am glad you sent Jimmy a message also. what adds to the confusion is that Susbecatowin,according to the Santee Indian Censuses prior to 1900 ,is that she was listed with first name Nancy, and is married to James Brant and they had several Children. I have Henry Trudell's marriage record to Nancy Sewitt. They weren't wed until 9 May 1897, by Charles R. Lawson, J.P. , at Santee.her parents listed as Samson Sewitt and Hapan. I also have notation that Henry and Lucy Blue Eyes were each married before.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 16, 2012 14:55:10 GMT -5
kermit re. Hapanna: if she was a twin, one of themwould have been named Cekpawin, which was the common rule back then for tWins.
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Post by kermit frazier on Dec 19, 2012 14:08:01 GMT -5
yeah hermin i had seen where the marrige records shows the dates and how they spelled tatehiyayedan samuel sewitt , sward, sewdd. Hapanna
yes Henry and Nancy where both married befor and Henry helped raise his sibling kids as his own as well. w know that indian custum say that all the brothers are the fathers and all the sister become the mothers of each other children.
thanks for the information on Hapanna and the cekpawin information
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 19, 2012 17:45:17 GMT -5
kermit: do you know whotheir first spouses were?
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Post by kermit frazier on Dec 19, 2012 19:06:30 GMT -5
James Brant was Nancy blue eyes first husband. Henry first wife i do not have her name but i want to say Louisa?
this is information i have not looked at in a while will get her name for you for Henry first wife. kf
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