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Post by debigitt on Sept 30, 2010 17:48:04 GMT -5
Am looking for more information on the parents of a Rosalie Martin born 1843. Would have been 1/2 Sioux. Believe that her parents were Louis Martin born 11 Feb 1803, died 15 apr 1858.
Her mother is where I am uncertain. I have both a Zoe Winona and a Cankuomaniwin. I believe she was a Mdewakanton from a village in or around Mendota Minnesota.
Are they one and the same person? Rosalie would be my great great grandmother.
Thank you for any help.
Debi
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Post by vicky on Oct 1, 2010 8:02:36 GMT -5
Hello Debi,
It is not uncommon for a Native to have more than one name. It is also common for one or more names to be misspelled a dozen different ways.
Do you have any probates? You may need to contact NARA in DC to see if any of your ancestors has one housed there. Your contact in DC is-
MaryFrances- NARA DC
E-mail Address(es):
MaryFrances.Ronan@nara.gov
Just give her the names you are loking for and tribal affiliation and she will look for them. These are not cheap. Many contain hundreds of pages, but they contain much valuable information.
You might also want to contact NARA in KC, MO. There you will find all of the records for the Central Plains tribes. Give them the names and they will look for them for free, then you can order anything you are interested in seeing. Their contact info is-
kansascity.archives@nara.gov
E-mail Address(es):
kansascity.archives@nara.gov
Good luck in your search. :-)
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Post by debigitt on Oct 1, 2010 9:15:34 GMT -5
Vicky,
I appreciate your help and the information. I am new to this and have only been researching for a few weeks.
So do not think I am silly, but what is probates?
Also, I find my mother, grandmother and great-grandmother on the rolls/census of the Sisseton/Wahepaton Sioux (Lake Traverse)...
Then it has led me to Rosalie and her parents that seem to be Mdewakanton??? That is what has me really confused at this point.
Is it possible that they had to leave Minnesota?
Thank you for any insight into this.
Debi
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Post by vicky on Oct 1, 2010 13:28:29 GMT -5
Oh heavens no, I don't think you are silly! Probates are heirship hearings which were conducted to determine the heirs of anyone who died possessing alloted land on any rez. These contain lots of legal "stuff" and then some testimony from family and friends regarding exactly who the heirs of the deceased were, so the land could be passed down to them. This testimony usually contains info you can't find anywhere else. I have most of the records for the Sisseton Wahpeton at Lake Traverse rez, if there is something you need from there. After the Dakota Conflict of 1862, most of our people were forced out of MN. There is lots to read on this site about 1862 and what happened afterwards. Use the search box at the bottom of the page to search this site or browse the Books section here. I have also found that not all of the folks who settled at Lake Traverse were Sisseton or Wahpeton, and it's not unusual to find a Mdewakanton family living there.  |
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Post by debigitt on Oct 1, 2010 14:33:25 GMT -5
I do need information for my Great Grandmother and Grandmother who were listed on the census' for Lake Traverse.
Emma Cloutier Paul
Born 1868in Minnesota
Married a Mathias Paul
Parents (Louis) George Cloutier
Alice Marie Paul Armstrong
Born 5 April 1898 in White Rock SD
Any information you have would be helpful.
Thank you so much
Debi
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Post by vicky on Oct 1, 2010 16:01:26 GMT -5
OK, give me a couple of days to see what I can dig up. Do you have census, allotment and annuitry roll pages already?
hermin1 has lots of Paul info. You might drop her a PM if we don't see her soon. :-)
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Post by debigitt on Oct 1, 2010 17:30:36 GMT -5
I have a few census but no allotment or annuity information.
I appreciate all this help.
Thank you again
Debi
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Post by vicky on Oct 1, 2010 17:30:54 GMT -5
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Post by debigitt on Oct 1, 2010 22:04:47 GMT -5
Thank you Vicky,
I will see what I can find with the new name.
You are correct about Mathias Paul, he was the white guy in the family and does descend from Austria/germany.
Let me know if you find anything else.
Debi G
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Post by hermin1 on Oct 6, 2010 11:25:35 GMT -5
debiggett:
Louis Martin's wife's name was Angelique Boafsia, a full blood Mdewakanton Sioux. She was a sister to Susan Boafsia. (Ref. Affidavit #82 : Evidence of sioux Half Breed land Scrips-Lake Pepin. NARA).
Angelique Martin married Alain Longie(sp.) and they had 2 children at the time he filed his affidavit for the Lake pepin Landscrips(Affidavit #96).
Hope this helps.
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Post by debigitt on Oct 6, 2010 20:53:30 GMT -5
herman1,
Thank you thank you...
Is there any way to get images of these land scripts? Appreciate all this help. You people have helped me so much
Debi Gittelson
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Post by vicky on Oct 6, 2010 21:17:36 GMT -5
hermin1, do you have this info? I have the Louis Martin page from the Lake Pepin docs but it doesn't give his wife's name. It just says she is a Mdewakanton woman.
Debi, if hermin1 doesn't have it, you can get it from the MN historical society. They don't do research for folks anymore, but there is a former employee of the HS who does freelance work for them. His rates are very reasonable and he's good.
Contact-
Steve Nielsen
E-mail Address(es):
nielsen.steve13@gmail.com
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Post by vicky on Oct 7, 2010 17:33:34 GMT -5
Debi, I didn't forget you. I emailed hermin1 about the documentation you need. :-)
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Post by hermin1 on Oct 7, 2010 19:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by hermin1 on Oct 7, 2010 20:06:34 GMT -5
the listings of the land scrips are in two issues of the Minn. Geneal. Journal. but I don't rmemember which issues they are. You need to go to www.mnhs.org and in the search box type Lake Pepin Land Scrips and see if they will bring up which issues they are in. Then see if the historical society will send you copies of the pages.They charge an arm anda leg for this. $ years ago we asked for a copy of a one page Editorial. they charged us 7 dollars. The actual land scrips and receipts are at NARA in Washington DC. |
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