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Post by hermin1 on Nov 29, 2012 14:18:08 GMT -5
Re. Joseph Jack's siblings: Sophia- full sibling Margaret and Lucy-half siblings. they had same mother,different father Daughter ,his father sired with Ms. Antaya, is a half sister Alexander Frazier-half brother. His mother was Ursule LaBlanc. Father James Alexander Frazier.
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Post by Kermit Frazier on Nov 29, 2012 16:25:25 GMT -5
Hermin thanks for the information again on the Frazier line. it has helped fill some of the gaps that we have. i am going to go thru old Margaret's probate papers again to see why her half siblings where not mentioned. i will share what information i get from her probate. i think her probate had something like over 150 pages in it from people given testimonies on her family.
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Post by kermit frazier on Nov 29, 2012 16:32:39 GMT -5
Hermin do you know what happened to Jacks siblings?
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 29, 2012 19:39:20 GMT -5
I don't knpw what happened to them. I recently found out about Lucy and Margaret, and the children his father had with the two other women. i already knew that Sophia was ,Joseph jack's full sibling,but that is all. Do you have the book onJoseph jack ,titled Iron Face? What does it say in there?
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 29, 2012 19:40:22 GMT -5
i don't have access to ancestry so i can do a search on them.
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Post by hermin1 on Nov 29, 2012 19:41:48 GMT -5
Kermit: i already have Margaret's heirship reports. Thank you anyway.
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Post by Kermit Frazier on Nov 30, 2012 14:04:51 GMT -5
Hermin i do have Joseph Jack Frazier book Iron Face and the only thing i got from there is waht i shared with you about him going to see his beloved sister. it never mentioned her name or other siblings in the book. Just his dad that he gused was alexander James Frase.
i will go back and look at the book and recheck it. you know what they say you might of missed something the first time.
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Post by kermit frazier on Dec 2, 2012 23:03:01 GMT -5
Herman the information that you posted for john smith looks like it came from heir ship or a probate the way it was worded?
was wankanhdihota on the list of Indian at Daven Port? i thought i had seen his name there.
who's heir ship did you get the information from? if you don't mind sharing your source? _________________ The Information on John Smith of Santee came from the Santee Indian Censuses 1869-1914, the Santee Mission Bptisml Register and books 1,2, and 3,and Emma Godfrey's hereship Report.. the Information on the other John smith came from "Dakota Presence in Minnesota 1824-1995 in Caroline Anderseron's thesis. Indiana State University.other references were th antee Indian ensuses 1869-1875, and the mdewakanton Rolls for 1885-1899, and US censues for innesota 1900-1940.
Wakanhdihota or Wakanhdirota was in prison at Davenport and pardoned in 1866 by president Johnson.
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Post by kermit frazier on Dec 3, 2012 1:38:50 GMT -5
Herman i am looking for a Lydia Blue cloud and have seen what was posted. i have a Baptism at brown earth it shows Lydia and father John B. Cloud Hepan as the father and a Nora Tamazawatewin as the mother.
i have a Johanna Blue Cloud aka Hanna or Hapan as the mother of Lydia and Moses Blue cloud and the father Noha Blue Cloud. Moses is listed as the son of John B. Cloud. is this the same father and mother at sisston? trying to figure this one out.
could you help me out?
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 3, 2012 16:33:25 GMT -5
kermit: there are 2 Moses Blue Clouds. One was the son of John B. Cloud'/ CloudDog/Big Cloud, or Mahpiyasunka.I believe he had Moses with his first spouse Wakanhdiyayewin or his second Spouse Elizabeth or Anna Crossing.,in addition to 5 other children.tthis Moses never lived at Sisseton nor Brown Earth.
There is another John B. Cloud but he was a Sisseton, and that is the one whose wife was Nora Tamazawastewin.they had a daughter Lydia B. Cloud bapt. at Brown Earth presbyterian Church.they also had another child that died very young.
Joanna Blue Cloud aka Hannahapana was the wife of I) Tunkanwasicun and had Jennie Wakiranajinwin.(Jennie took the surname of her step father,Noah BlueCloud), Lydia St. Pierre, David who died at age 20yrs. With Spouse 2) Noah Blue cloud,Johanna had Moses Blue Cloud. Moses, you will find in the Brown Earth records also. _____________________ Moses blue cloud was married twice first spouse: Susan Iyantin. They hd two dughtr, Eliza nd nother dughter. eliza died oung. econd spouse waLouisa? and they had Etha blue Cloud.
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Post by Kermit frazier on Dec 5, 2012 14:46:02 GMT -5
Hermin do you have any more information on Noah Blue cloud? was Noah from sisseton?
Like is said i am a little confussed when it comes to brown earth because it show's a John B cloud as the father of lydia and Moses. it also shows lydia being married to louis st pierre at brown earth. this is why is is confussing to me on the blou cloud?
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 5, 2012 18:19:04 GMT -5
Herman the information that you posted for john smith looks like it came from heir ship or a probate the way it was worded? was wankanhdihota on the list of Indian at Daven Port? i thought i had seen his name there. who's heir ship did you get the information from? if you don't mind sharing your source? _________________ The Information on John Smith of Santee came from the Santee Indian Censuses 1869-1914, the Santee Mission Bptisml Register and books 1,2, and 3,and Emma Godfrey's hereship Report.. the Information on the other John smith came from "Dakota Presence in Minnesota 1824-1995 in Caroline Anderseron's thesis. Indiana State University.other references were th antee Indian ensuses 1869-1875, and the mdewakanton Rolls for 1885-1899, and US censues for innesota 1900-1940. Wakanhdihota or Wakanhdirota was in prison at Davenport and pardoned in 1866 by president Johnson. ________________- Update; Wakanhdihota was married to Lizzie Selwyn.they had a dau. thatdied in infany. (yankton Agency church Records)
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 5, 2012 18:35:46 GMT -5
kermit: John B. Cloud- father of Moses Cloud was a Santee Sioux. he and his family move to Flandreau in 1869/70. They became Flandreau Santee Siouxs then.this John B. Cloud never settled at Brown Earth Settlement. his son Moses married the Goodthunder girl, had a daughter with her, then divorced her before he married one of the Campbell girls from Santee.
The other Moses , was Moses (Wamnuha) Bluecloud,son of Joanna aka Hanna Hapanna and Noah Bluecloud. This is the Moses that may have, at one time ,lived at Brown Earth Settlement. All I have on Noah is that he died,according to Joanna (hanna hapanna) Bluecloud's heirship report. I don't know where he was from.
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Post by hermin1 on Dec 5, 2012 18:52:12 GMT -5
the Lydia you are looking for is the Lydia,daughter of Joanna Bluecloud(Hanna hapanna). she married Louis St. Pierre(Cana) sometime before 1884.Louis was a Yankton Sioux.he died @1917.One ofthier children was Nancy St. Pierre. she was married twice: 1. James Hare. 2. levi henry Trudell. One of theirchildren, Mercedes or" Merc"was the mother of your mother Lydia Williams.
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Post by kermit frazier on Dec 6, 2012 0:06:57 GMT -5
Lydia blue cloud aka cekpa win yankton soiux sh married louis st peirre on the marrige record shows that they got married at brown earth and louis siad he was baptized at brown earth and his farter was louis as well so i know there are two of them a sr and a jr. jr is inrolled on the yankton rez. just trying to figer out the jhob B cloud and noah blue cloud. are they brother are one of the same?
i would realy like to meet you when i come to snatee? and chat if you have the time? let me know you have my phone number.
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